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- Aa. Thank
you, I kiss your feet. Finally someone has put it all in one
place for auto consumers. Thank you for paving the consumer lane
on the car deal highway. The resource list is staggering... is
there any other manufacturing or retail industry with such a
low public reputation which would require so much to be written
- Ab. The overwhelming
response to AutoBuyology / CARveat Emptor has been positive and
supportive. [You are welcome]
- The following
responses / reactions are included here, as they appear to illustrate
the depth of denial in the auto industry, or the extent to which
some few (but all too many) consumers will go to reward or defend
the shady side of the automobile industry, apparently in the
misbelief that doing so benefits them, their families or other
- 1q. You're
- 1a. Apparently
so, informing consumers about their rights and responsibilities
in a regulated marketplace certainly wouldn't be anti-social.
Leave that up to the hyper-capitalists or rather the neo-corporatists
and their coat holders, the Neo [pseudo] Conservative Monolithy,
aka, the DemocRepubliCorporataucracy. Apparently, fraud and deceit
are fundamental and essential criteria and qualities of any reputable
and bona fide free market capital system...?
- The automobile
industry, perhaps alone, epitomizes the reasons why we enjoy
the vagaries of the push and shove of a "mixed" or
regulated marketplace, and why a free market is impossible and
will not likely be tolerated by a self-respecting democratic
people. Democracy, yes!. Capitalism, yes! Corporataucracy, never!
- 2q. Dealers
are in the business to maximize profits.
- 2a. So there,
the "customer service" mantra is a fraud apparently,
- 3q. Dealers
have a right to as much profit as they can make.
- 3a. They have
the opportunity to try to pay their overhead (break even) and
record an after loophole profit, nothing more. There are no guarantees
of profits, especially record profits, year after year in the
US Constitution. Not yet, at least.
- 4q. You
made those tricks up, dealers do not operate the way you say
some do. You must have gotten screwed.
- 4a. How could
we have gotten screwed if dealers don't operate the way they
do? It's is also interesting to note the number of people who
merely pass off the sham of the auto industry by saying "they
all do it."
- 5q. Good
people work hard for the auto industry and you do them a disservice
with your site.
- 5a. Good people
consume auto industry products, too. Actually, the shabby industry
and traditions and practitioners dis-serve the good people who
work hard in the auto industry. Why does the auto industry not
use some of its market clout and record profits to unscrew and
degrease the Great American Car Deal? My guess is that the only
party to benefit from the general level of public angst with
the industry, is the industry itself, or at least it believes
it does, else perhaps it would do something to counter it on
an order of magnitude equal to the amount of energy the industry
invests in cheating and shamming consumers and scamming the economy
and the marketplace.
- 6q. One
in five (1:5 or 20%) Americans work directly or indirectly for
the auto or related industries.
- 6a. Factoring
in all auto consumers who also work for the auto and related
industries (transportation, banking, etc.), the 1:5 ratio is
actually closer to 1000+:5 (:-).
- 7q. You're
- 7a. Well OK.
If radical is being for fairness in the marketplace and believing
that bona fide capitalism (as vs. pseudo capitalism and its twin-in-crime
"hybridized corporatism) and business practices do not have
to include sham and subterfuge, then paint me radical with a
- 8q. Your
anger is showing.
- 7a. Ooops,
you caught me out. I'll try to develop a happier demeanor about
the sham factors in the Great American Car Deal, or merely lower
- 9q. "Why
don't you just sell the van? You're fucked. Just a note from
- 9a. Good question,
but its veracity apparently is lost on its author, who apparently
was not neighborly enough to pen his or her name. I especially
like "telling" notes like this one, as it reminds me
of the level of intelligence and thought capacity of the small,
well intentioned, but woefully misguided opposition who shortsightedly
defend the shammy traditions of the auto industry.
- I didn't buy
the van to sell it. After taking a $4500 to $5000 depreciation
hit on buying it in the first place, it would be even more of
a loss to sell it. Its interesting that the above question seems
to represent a minority attitude in defense of an industry which
by its own admission treats consumers shabbily. May I suggest
that these few fine folk, if they feel that merely helping consumers
to save a few dollars by knowing some of the "f__ked"
factors in car deals is a big personal or industry threat, that
they get out their checkbooks and pen a large one and deliver
it by hand to their local auto dealer(s) and lien agent(s). The
industry certainly needs a good defense, however.
- The real question
should be, 'why doesn't VW or its dealers merely make the deal
whole by penning and forwarding a check to me in an amount which
would be acceptable to any average reasonable person and extend
an apology for misrepresenting a used and damaged and poorly
repaired vehicle as new when they knew or should have known its
pre-sale use and condition,-- without any conditions attached,
such as was the case here, "if you will shut up about it?"
The facts of the sham deal stands, regardless of whether VW or
its dealers admit them to me or themselves or anyone else, or
whether they correct their shabby treatment of me here. I'm not
holding my breath for VW to come clean here. Apparently VW and
its dealers do not feel that a three time, twenty year VW customer
is due better treatment.
- Screwing hundreds
or thousands of consumers, and making one screwy deal whole when
they are found out, hardly sets the situation right. VW and its
dealers and other auto manufacturers and their dealers should
merely undertake visible measures to stop their traditions of
shabby sales and service treatments which cost Americans tens
of billions of dollars in unearned and inflated industry profits
every year. And if the industry is unable or unwilling to do
so, then the American people should step up to the situation
and say, enough is enough.
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